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06 February 2012 @ 05:51 am
"I know him so wellllllll......" theme song from Chess, get it? ;)  
So I was thinking about the game of chess. It seems like its the perfect game for Aro. And I noticed that the members of the Volturi equalled 32, the exact same number of pieces on a board at the start of game of chess. Coincidence? Probably. You know how I hate to give credit to meyer even if it is due.

Anyhoo...this got me thinking. Who would be what within the ranks of the guard?
You've got:
Kings (2) - Aro. Caius
Queens (2) - Jane. Alec
Rooks (4) - Marcus, Chelsea, Corin.
Bishops (4) - Demertri. Heidi. Felix. 
Knights (4) - Renata. Santiago. 
Pawns (16) - I would put the wives in here. Yes, we're told that they are heavily guarded because both Aro and Caius don't want to end up like Marcus. But we're also told that Aro picked his wife solely because she came with no baggage. Bad guys can't love, so I'm assuming here that the Volturi wont fall apart if Sully or Dora got done in.
Afton also because he is only there because of who his wife is. Then you have all the unnamed ones.

Ok, my reasoning is this - Aro and Caius are kings because without either of then, it's game over. I'm inclined to think that without Caius, Aro could still continue on. Albeit Not much longer unless he found someone as suitably war mongerish. But without Aro, I don't see Caius lasting shit amount of time.
The twins as Queens - Queens are the most valuable weapon in chess, and we're constantly told this of the twins.
Rooks, or castles, in chess are pointed at five points (queens count as nine) so I'm thinking Marcus is definitely one. He isn't a king or queen. Perhaps in his heyday, but not now. So rook is the next best thing. Chelsea and Corin also. Without their gifts, the Volturi wouldn't stick together. They'd probably tear each other apart.
Bishops are, like knights, generally pointed as three. So valuable members of the guard, but not valuable enough are put into here. 
Pawns are pointed as one, and generally the ok to lose guys. But when it's end game, I've seen pawns pwning some of the bigger players.

And this is all just me, and how I was thought chess years ago. I know some people will argue with the pointing system, or just how important a piece can be as it varies throughout the game itself. But I think it's interesting to think of the Volturi this way. 

What are your thoughts? Would you put a Volturi as something else?
Also I think it interesting if you put the Cullen's as chess pieces. (and no I don't mean Bella as first a pawn, then the queen. That is just fucking Mary sue shit!) I mean, would Carlisle be a King? Would the others stop being a coven/family if Carlisle was no longer around?
sehknasehkna on February 6th, 2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
(so I tried to post this before and then went to edit it and somehow deleted the whole damn thing. .. shows how often I comment on lj. lol. but with ash's help i got it back! Hi, by the way. I don't know that I've posted here before!)

This is super interesting, and I agree with your Volturi positions really. I actually wrote a piece once where Aro was considering the Cullens as chess pieces. Basically he did figure Carlisle as the King, both because he thinks it would be game over without him, and because the King's moves are limited--Aro feels that Carlisle boxes himself in with his bizarre morals.

The werewolves were the pawns--all the same, pretty useless as just one piece, but working together they could be impressive.

For the others I didn't think so much about value but as symbolism, so like knights = warriors, rooks/castle = defense, bishops = advisers. So I assigned Emmett and Jasper as knights, Rosalie and Bella as rooks (no way she is a Queen, you're right, fuck that. A queen is a powerful OFFENSIVE piece. Bella's Mary Sue gift is pure, passive defense. Does not apply) and Alice and Edward as bishops. That left Esme for Queen which is admittedly pretty lame, but Aro sort of reasoned that since she's Carlisle's mate it worked in THAT regard. He certainly didn't think her powerful at all. lol And who knows? Maybe in Endgame the Queen would step out and kick some ass--I suppose one could argue Esme's got the mother tiger thing going for her. God knows Smeyer never wrote about her enough to say either way.

Edited at 2012-02-06 04:30 pm (UTC)
Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
That's because Esme isn't powerful at all. Her gift is what, mothering? How is that a gift. She's not even a cool Molly "Not my daughter, you bitch" Weasley-esque mother. Just weak!

Interesting that you went the symbolic route, I never thought about it like that. Just went with value. Though it does sound more Aro like to rate them in terms of value.

Interesting point about Carlisle boxing himself in. True. Very true.
sehknasehkna on February 6th, 2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah Aro would definitely look at it as who was the most valuable to him. I was sort of thinking like, he already had warriors (Felix, for example) so he wasn't interested in Carlisle's knights, but Alice and Edward as the bishops had useful gifts and could serve as good advisers to him (knowing the future and present). Bella's psychic defense is of more value to him than Rosalie's bitchtastic physical defense, etc. lol

And yeah, the King is not the most powerful piece on the board, and Carlisle is not powerful, per se. He has more value as a symbol and the center of the family/coven. And his moves ARE limited by his own morality, so I thought it fit.
Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 05:01 pm (UTC)
Intriguing idea. That bishops represent advisers: from the members, I see none of them as someone who could be in the role of advisor. (I see Marcus as about the only one who could "advise" Aro on anything. Chelsea maybe. Rook as seen as something defensive doesn't fit her, but bishop does.) The inclusion of Edward and Alice could fill that void.
sehknasehkna on February 6th, 2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah I think with Aro "advisers" is less about "I will follow your advice" and more about these other people having access to information he doesn't. And that's hard to come by given Aro's own powerful gift! But Alice could show the future and Edward could tell him what a whole room is thinking rather than one at a time, etc.

Marcus is similar with the relationship/loyalty/bonds thing. Likewise Chelsea.
Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 04:38 pm (UTC)
Oh she wrote enough about her, all that matters to meyer anyway. Her son died, and she tried to kill herself because of that lost. Because she is such a mother.
So basically, her MALE son dies, she couldn't go on living.
Its a theme in the books. Bella's BOYfriend dumps her and leaves, she becomes near suicidal.
Leah's BOYfriend dumps her and takes up with her cousin. Leah becomes a bitter harpy.
There is more, but I'm hungry and dinner is ready, lol.
sehknasehkna on February 6th, 2012 04:46 pm (UTC)
lol so maybe if someone went after her male husband, Esme would bear her claws?

Oh, no. It wouldn't be that. It would be if someone went after her precious son Edward, the center of the universe. OR at least he was the center until Bella and Renespawn came along!
Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
Nah! I think it would simply be her doing nothing due to womanly weakness. And simply crying after they've died.
I don't remember being taught a chess piece that does that, lol.
sehknasehkna on February 6th, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Of course! How silly of me! A woman from Twilight having any physical or emotional strength? Impossible! :P

Edited at 2012-02-06 05:20 pm (UTC)
Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
Unless they are a shuper speshul Mary Sue.
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Ashlingashling_c on February 6th, 2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
No, don't think you did miss anyone.

VERY interesting. Of course I disagree with some of it, but very interesting points made nonetheless ;)
Love Demetri as a Knight. It fits him best and I did originally have him as a knight, but changed when I went for the "value" thinking.
Not convinced of Aro = Queen. I think he is far too valuable to move so freely as a Queen can do. Caius I feel moves about more freely than Aro does. Aro is too self peservational *is that even a word? :)*